Ha ya I meant 1931, I have the volume gain turned to the max at the moment.
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Johnnyanglo
Probably seen my results before, but it shows how great the decrease in sensitivity becomes using AUTO sensitivity vs. MANUAL sensitivity
Dime
![AIRDEPTH-DIME-CTXVSETRAC.jpg]( "AIRDEPTH-DIME-CTXVSETRAC.jpg")
Quarter
![AIRDEPTHCTXVSETRAC.jpg]( "AIRDEPTHCTXVSETRAC.jpg")
-Johnnyanglo
Shockingly I have not seen this graph, very interesting! i do usually run at Auto +3 but Manual 25 looks very enticing, I am going to have to try this today.
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jtalley007
Not an expert but I'm guessing you're using an auto sensitivity setting. In a vacuum this may work but what I've found after years of explorer use and now the 3030, always use manual sensitivity and let your ear tell you when to turn up or back down.
Problem no one seems to acknowledge is where there is EMI it's going to dial down based on that not soil conditions.
Example is a place I test my machines the EMI is off the chart. I can run manual sensitivity from 24-28 depending on the day.
If you try running auto +3 it suggests 13 sensitivity
If I go with manual 26 and detector is working like my first CTX 3030, I can get a 14" Minnie ball. If you let the detector decide, it kills depth, lucky if you find anything.
I never hear even CTX experts talk about this
Thanks Jtalley! I am going to forget using auto for now I really think this is my main issue, I was always worried about it falsing in manual but it seems like I have missed so many possible targets ignoring manual sensitivity.
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Thank you all for your help! This is great information that is being put to use later today :)
Do you guys think separation would somehow affect it as well from making tones?
Also is there some technique for identifying possible good deep targets? I notice the deep targets like to move all over the screen on the scale never really giving a true reading of what it could be.
Do you guys think separation would somehow affect it as well from making tones?
Also is there some technique for identifying possible good deep targets? I notice the deep targets like to move all over the screen on the scale never really giving a true reading of what it could be.
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are the test graphs from in the wild targets ?
thanks.
AJ
thanks.
AJ
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As a water hunter that size really has to be reduced...... swings as hard as a 2X4..... just to much drag. I can handle the floating, makes control a bit of a challenge, but the drag really takes it out of you.
Dew
I built this for travel land hunting and I've used it for 14hrs and it has held up well.
I've used the CTX with stock shaft up to chest deep water and I do feel more drag than either my Infinium or CZ20 which are my primary water units.
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Johnnyanglo
Probably seen my results before, but it shows how great the decrease in sensitivity becomes using AUTO sensitivity vs. MANUAL sensitivity
Dime
![AIRDEPTH-DIME-CTXVSETRAC.jpg]( "AIRDEPTH-DIME-CTXVSETRAC.jpg")
Quarter
![AIRDEPTHCTXVSETRAC.jpg]( "AIRDEPTHCTXVSETRAC.jpg")
Referring to this graph what was the sensitivity on the screen while using A+3?
-Johnnyanglo
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CT Todd
Well
I'm glad that you're ok with a group of "less smart" people complaining and wasting our time on this Open Forum. I'm pretty sure we are allowed to do it as long as we " the less smart people" don't act or say rude things. I don't think we need a "sticky" to keep us corralled up as the "smart people group " will quickly see which threads are a waste of their reasearch time and be able to avoid clicking on them.
Just one other question Who is it that administers the smart guy test? Maybe we should all take it.
Jeeze, just calm down already. The snarkiness and combative tone of your post is really pushing it. If you have a PERSONAL issue with someone, talk to them in PM.
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Thanks Jtalley! I am going to forget using auto for now I really think this is my main issue, I was always worried about it falsing in manual but it seems like I have missed so many possible targets ignoring manual sensitivity.
Please keep in mind that graph is for an AIR TEST, not a ground test of a wild target. I always recommend the highest sens level you can run with stability, but I encourage you to try some personal testing. NExt time you go hunting, put your CTX in whichever manual sens level you want. When you get a target, switch over to auto+3 and see if you can still find the target. To date, I have found nothing in manual that I didn't also find in auto. Not to say that I haven't missed some ultra deep over the years, anything is possible.
Do your own testing, make your own programs. Never rely blindly on what anyone else claims (including me! LOL)
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You're cracking me up Jason. It will be ok.
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I wonder if the ground in South Carolina is a factor into my lack of finding deep targets. Here we have a lot of sand / clay in our yards. Anyone hunt these conditions?
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What would you update? I'm perfectly happy with the way my Minelab runs now. Still runs circles around the others when it comes to coin hunting old schools and parks.
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Southwind
What would you update? I'm perfectly happy with the way my Minelab runs now. Still runs circles around the others when it comes to coin hunting old schools and parks.
There are 11 pages of suggestions in the resource center. I have repeatedly said throughout this thread that I like my CTX too. This has to do with unfulfilled promises and terrible customer service.
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Millennial?
LOL just kidding. I can't say because in all the years I've had a Minelab I've never needed customer service. And I'm also not familiar with any promises to update at a predetermined level. But that doesn't mean I don't believe they exist, I'm just not familiar with them.
LOL just kidding. I can't say because in all the years I've had a Minelab I've never needed customer service. And I'm also not familiar with any promises to update at a predetermined level. But that doesn't mean I don't believe they exist, I'm just not familiar with them.
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Southwind
What would you update? I'm perfectly happy with the way my Minelab runs now. Still runs circles around the others when it comes to coin hunting old schools and parks.
There are 11 pages of suggestions in the resource center. I have repeatedly said throughout this thread that I like my CTX too. This has to do with unfulfilled promises and terrible customer service.
You just really can't correlate anything can youTodd. It took XP until they had 13 pages of suggestions before they had an update , looks like Minlabs got some time to go unless you start making your gripes official:smile:,,,and lets hope if Minelab does do one that they don't take two years after the announcement to implement it and then have it flub up for the first few days like XP.
Geez , don't they understand things are supposed to be perfect right out of the box,,,I know ,,,,, we will butcher no swine before it's time.
Personally , I'd caulk the USB port on my CTX shut if they would just design and send me a screen you can see in daylight without the Sun at your back
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Southwind
What would you update? I'm perfectly happy with the way my Minelab runs now. Still runs circles around the others when it comes to coin hunting old schools and parks.
There are 11 pages of suggestions in the resource center. I have repeatedly said throughout this thread that I like my CTX too. This has to do with unfulfilled promises and terrible customer service.
You just really can't correlate anything can youTodd. It took XP until they had 13 pages of suggestions before they had an update , looks like Minlabs got some time to go unless you start making your gripes official:smile:,,,and lets hope if Minelab does do one that they don't take two years after the announcement to implement it and then have it flub up for the first few days like XP.
Geez , don't they understand things are supposed to be perfect right out of the box,,,I know ,,,,, we will butcher no swine before it's time.
Personally , I'd caulk the USB port on my CTX shut if they would just design and send me a screen you can see in daylight without the Sun at your back
Wouldn't that be nice. Throw in a couple more sound bins and I'm with you.
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No, Todd I didn't want to single anyone out. You have every right to complain as much as you want. Heck, I'd like to have more and more Free Stuff too;.And please don't think I am disparaging your abilities. Since I discovered the boards, I have had a hi opinion of your abilities. (I also have been hunting since the 70s, but not really seriously until this decade).
But my opinion is that most of the smarter folks know they are wasting their breath (and some even say so in the 2 current threads) so they must just be complaining for some other reason. What that could be is beyond me.
Attention maybe? Trying to impress someone? Beats me.
There really needs to be a "Minelab CTX Complainers" sticky so we don't litter the board up so regularly. It would also save everyone from repeating themselves with the same ole same ole all the time.
It appears that some folks have STILL missed the original point, but to each its own. On another note, I just purchased a 2nd (preowned) CTX as a backup. The screen on my current one will require it be sent in for repair and we all know that means probably three/four months in the shop, AND lots of $$$. Minelab's "non existent service after the sale" will rear its ugly head again.
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Thanks guys for chiming in the site I am hunting are a 1926 house a 1929 high school and a 1910 church found a 1912 wheat at the old church and around 15 wheats at the old house from the early 20s till 1950 only 2 wheats from the old school. Had a friend of mine go with me with his deus to the old house he only found 2 wheats so I am thinking it has probably been cherry picked did go the the empty lot next door to the house and found a 51 Rosie.
Keep hunting these sites and you will find more. I've been hunting some of the same sites for over twenty years that still produce a few keepers. Go after a good rain, hit it from a different angle, and play with your settings.
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jtalley007
Not an expert but I'm guessing you're using an auto sensitivity setting. In a vacuum this may work but what I've found after years of explorer use and now the 3030, always use manual sensitivity and let your ear tell you when to turn up or back down.
Problem no one seems to acknowledge is where there is EMI it's going to dial down based on that not soil conditions.
Example is a place I test my machines the EMI is off the chart. I can run manual sensitivity from 24-28 depending on the day.
If you try running auto +3 it suggests 13 sensitivity
If I go with manual 26 and detector is working like my first CTX 3030, I can get a 14" Minnie ball. If you let the detector decide, it kills depth, lucky if you find anything.
I never hear even CTX experts talk about this[/quot
Problem no one seems to acknowledge is where there is EMI it's going to dial down based on that not soil conditions. This is true emi well dial down the detectors #s but ground noise soil conditions well also dial it down . Now you can override that by going to manual but the more sensitivity you use over what the machine calls for the more noise you well hear so you have to pick what you are comfortable with . Auto seams to be very conservatory it runs very smooth at these settings as it should but your not getting all you can from the machine at these settings .
Noise cancel and sensitivity are connected as one if you have low sensitivity #s you have lots of noise the machine is trying to get rid of . If your auto #s are high say 25 you have less noise for the machine to get rid of .
Running at high manual settings will make the machine more sparky more noise but when you sweep these signals they will not repeat like a coin signal another words there inconsistent . So if your going to overdrive the detector you will produce more inconsistent signals.
Sensitivity controls the detector’s response to received signals. These signals can include desirable signals from nearby metal, as well as undesirable signals from electronic noise, and noise due to ground response. Increasing the sensitivity level may make targets more detectable but may also increase detector noise due to these noise influence.
Try this sometime if you have a good spot that quit producing go during a power outage and see what happens .sube
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No worries, Jason. Todd's good. I still look forward to his technical posts as I always have.
But I would like to know his speculations as to why someone would continue to complain when they don't believe it will do any good. That one has me baffled.
ETA: btw, I am not referring to the warranty debacle in this thread at all. that is a cluster for sure. hopefully the reports of change in Minelab's repair center policy are true and will happen quickly. ML, I think the point we are discussing is updates or the lack thereof.
But I would like to know his speculations as to why someone would continue to complain when they don't believe it will do any good. That one has me baffled.
ETA: btw, I am not referring to the warranty debacle in this thread at all. that is a cluster for sure. hopefully the reports of change in Minelab's repair center policy are true and will happen quickly. ML, I think the point we are discussing is updates or the lack thereof.
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